Preface (MUST READ): So I think I
wrote this post 4 or 5 times on the train and I’m really just not sure how to
go about posting it. There is a lot to say about how millage works and how
different people react to different styles of coaching. When I’ve talked to
other runners in high school and in different college programs it seems that
most coaches try their best to cater towards their athletes to make a group of
them as successful as possible. It’s tough, especially for high school coaches,
who can see up to 70 guys during an XC season and then try and maximize all of
their potentials. As my assistant coach in high school, Rob Rogers, said to us
all the time: “You’re only as good as your slowest runner.” Running in high
school can mean a lot of things to a lot of people and coach all of these types
of personalities and body types, it is impossible for a high school coach to be
perfect. At college and then professional levels the focus narrows more on why
each runner is there and the number of runners under a coach also deceases
(usually, I know some small schools allow coaches to specialize better) and
this helps each athlete get more attention to specific needs. I write this
preface to try and help everyone reading this article understand that all of
your coaches are correct and are training you to the best of their abilities. I
don’t write this article to have all of you questioning training methods, ect,
but instead to help start a discussion and help all of you become more aware of
different types of training that go on. I have seen a couple types of training
methods and been in different programs and after seeing different methods I
have begun to branch out more to try and find what works best for me, we will
all find something different. Not one training method is correct, but there are
many that work very well as overarching frames to help high school runners
succeed. And remember guys like Galen Rupp are on a 15+ year training plan,
while your coaches have you at best for 12 seasons (4 years) so the plans will
be shortened and they want to help make you as successful as possible in those
years.
So remember as you read this article do not forget my
opening words. Your coaches are doing a fantastic job and they want you to be
as successful as possible.
Types of Training: All of these methods that I will discuss
have been used by different professional athletes and they have been successful
in doing so. Here are some numbers to start us off so you can see that millage
isn’t everything.
20 Miles per week: High school runners such as Miles Batty
ran 4:22 in high school with only 20 miles per week, my roommate ran 4:21 in
high school with this millage as well. Batty ran for BYU and set the indoor
mile record of 3:54.54 and went on to win the DMR and Indoor mile once and was
runner-up in the 1500m outdoors. He runs about 60 miles per week now. Now, can
you be successful maintaining 20 miles per week? A) Yes. For two reasons. 1) Our
bodies don’t fully develop physically until we are older. Most runners peak
from around 24 to 27, so you will not peak in high school or college physical,
but you can break/wear your body down. Pushing high millage at younger ages can
be detrimental to careers if not done correctly (aka slowly raising millage,
very, very slowly). High schoolers with low millage often explode onto to the
college seen much like Batty did. Other guys ran D3 or barely at all in high
school and college such as Nick Symmonds and Matthew Elliott (who ran 4:42 in
high school), but kept training and gaining strength and have gone on to race
very well on a world level (3:34 and 3:37 1500’s which are well under the 4:00
barrier as equivalents).
2) Charles Jock: If you don’t know who Jock is, he was a 2x
runner up for 800m at NCAA’s and is one of the gutsy 800m runners I’ve ever
seen. With a 1:44.85 PR he often goes out in 50. Or faster, usually with the
lead, and helps bring his competitors, like Robby Andrews, to great times. In
college for UC-Irvine, Jock ran 18 to 20 miles per week. He worked with
strength and speed training along with very fast runs. He would always be under
6:30 pace, usually under 6 minute pace for every mile he ran. Low millage can
work with supplemented training such a pool, and weight room. He is currently
working up to 25 miles a week and is doing so over a 6 month period. This is
quite slow, but it’s to ensure that he does not get injured to the change in
training. – When I increase millage it would be about 5 miles every month, but
a very slow build, so 20 miles, 22, 23, 25, 24, 26, 28, 30, 22, 28, 31, 32 ect.
to ensure that the body is health and is ok with the higher levels. And then
down weeks every two months can help recovery. Again, I’m only a sophomore in
college so do not take this post as how to do everything correctly. I’m just trying
to begin a conversation on how millage works for different types of people.
45 miles per week: RTJ as often said he believes this should
be the limit for high school runners. In many ways I don’t think there should
be a cap on how many miles runners do in high school as long as they have a
coach watching them who understands training correct. Guys like Magaha ran low
millage but he was very successful, vs guys like Quinn Devlin who ran 100 to
110 miles per week and got a stress fracture his senior year (at least this is
what he said in his XC journal for PennTrack). Guys like Matthew Centrowitz ran
60 miles a week: “His father, who has coached the American University team to
national prominence in just 10 years, has also influenced Matt’s training,
keeping with his Oregon tradition of relatively low mileage, that it’s better
to underdo than overdo. Until this year, Matt never ran more than 60 miles a
week and only ran once a day.” http://www.runnersworld.com/high-school-profiles/hs-profile-matt-centrowitz.
Guys like Nick Symmonds (1:42.95 800m and 3:34 1500) run 60 miles per week as
professionals.
From what I’ve seen from 30 to 60 miles per week is usually
a very health millage number. Now, each runner usually has a range that is safe
for them. For me it’s 45 to 60 miles per week. In high school I hit 70 on
occasion to try and catch up due to missed summer runs or to get ahead of the
competition, but this only ended poorly for me as I cannot handle that type of
millage, it destroys my body. It’s all about finding your niche and sticking
with it, or slowly, like Charles Jock, pushing the envelope on how high you can
go. One does not simply jump 10 to 20 miles without sever trauma to the body,
usually resulting in injury.
Guys like David Rudisha (WR holder and Olympic Champion for
800m in 1:40.91) and Galen Rupp (only non-African to break 27 minutes for 10k
and Silver Medalist in the event) both run from 90 to 110 miles per week. Rupp
has built up to this since high school, he is now 27 years old. Other runners
such as Cameron Levins (University of Southern Utah who double goaled at the
2012 NCAA outdoor championships in the 5k and 10k) ran 190 miles per week
during the 2011/2012 season, but after joining Nike he has gone down to 135 to
140 miles per week, and he has been very successful.
As we can see, all types of millage can be very successful.
All of these runners are older and more mature, allowing their bodies to be
stronger and handle more heat, which is why most of them supplement with
strength training. Other than core and push-ups, strength training in high
school for the most part isn’t needed unless of course your coach has a program
in place, in which case it’s probably very keyed in on specific area’s and will
be helpful. Just lifting on your own will probably hurt you.
I want to end this article by saying that all types of
millage and training as the potential to work for many different people. Roger
Bannister, the first man to break 4 minutes in the mile, only trained for 30 to
45 minutes a day, as he was a junior doctor at the time and has gone on to be a
fantastic neurologist. So keep listening to your coaches, but do listen to your
bodies as well. If something is hurting, ect get it checked out. My high school
millage was too much for me and I’ve been practically injury free in college
after deceasing millage, which helped bring me to PR’s, while others like my
roommage jumped from 20 miles a week up to 50 and then to 70, which only ended
in a very long term injury keeping him out of running for the whole XC season.
Having higher millage can be beneficial, but it is never the be-all, end-all.
And if you strive to run more miles, talk with your coaches and make a plan,
don’t do it on your own. They are all in their positions for a reason and have
seen all types of runners and can help key you in on what can help make you all
the best you can be.
That’s all for now Folks,
--ForrestCRN
Forrest, I think you did a very good job with this post.
ReplyDeleteOne thing my coach has always stressed was finding your maximum mileage. His example is that he could run 90 miles per week for a lifetime, but once he went 95, he could get hurt/sick or his body would shut down. So if an athlete builds up to say 55 miles and is doing fine, but isn't handling 60 miles a week well, then 55 miles might be the best for that runner. Mileage is not a universal formula. If your body is ready to handle more miles, it isn't bad to add the extra training. But be careful and make sure that your body is ready, not just your head.
People run marathons on less than 50 miles a week. In my opinion, there's no need for a high school kid to do heavy mileage for a 5k race, the risk of injury is too great on a growing/developing body.
ReplyDeleteAll it takes is to come into camp with a solid 6 week build up from 20 miles a week to 30-35 of base running, with maybe some light hills and occasional tempo run. That way you're ready to start training hard under your coaches program. If you've got your base mileage in by camp, the real gains are made mid-Aug to mid-Sept and then the frequent racing gets you to top performance for mid/last October.
Spot on.
DeleteBefore you start increasing mileage,now is the time to consider a full blood work spectrum to determine your current levels. Some of these blood tests are expensive and may not be covered by your health insurance plan. It is best to know beforehand that you are physically capable of handling an increased workload.
ReplyDeleteFind a physician who has treated high performance athletes and he/she will know the necessary
blood test series to request.
If you look at PA.Milesplit's "Who to watch in Pennsylvania" articles, most of the boys seem to be running 70 miles per week (including Devlin).
ReplyDeleteI remember reading an article in Running World a while back where the author called out the esteemed Fayettville-Manlius(NY)coach for over-running his high school athletes to the degree that college coaches didn't recruit them. Some of the college coaches interviewed said the F-M kids were maxed out at 17 and historically didn't perform well at the college level. The coach, whose name escapes me-(Arias, maybe?), naturally refuted the authors claims and defended his training by claiming that many of the kids who ran for him in high school simply chose to drop running since they were so intellectually superior and their priorities shifted.
ReplyDeleteI can't recall exactly how much these kids were running but it was a lot-probably too much for teens. What is the magic number that a college coach looks for? And I wonder if they do indeed steer clear of kids who have put high miles on their wheels?
There are PA programs that college coaches know have a tendency to burn out kids.
DeleteThere really is no magical number, and often times college coaches don't ask your millage during interviews, they look at times. And there is no one magical number. Some guys can run 80 miles in high school and not burn out, so no college coach will reject you based on too high millage, unless it's a program like Fayettville-Manlius(NY). But again, it's not even the coaches fault. He's making very high caliber athletes for the 4 years he has them.
DeleteAnd like RTJ said, guys such as Wade Endress ran only 30 miles per week. It's about finding a sweet spot and slowly working up.
--ForrestCRN
In my experience college coaches are interested in times for track. Because of the huge differences in courses though, place trumps time for xc. College coaches I've talked with always ask about mileage.
ReplyDeleteGreat post, Forrest! I've said this before and I'll say it again. The key to running is knowing how little you can do while getting the maximum end result. If you can run a 15:45 5k at States running 30 miles a week, why on earth would you want to run 60 miles a week to run the same time? Run smart by running less.
ReplyDelete-RTJ
Right on, RTJ. Seems like it should be obvious but I've known kids who just run themselves into the ground thinking that will make them better, when in fact, it probably made them slower or worse yet, injured.
DeleteChris Campell and Dustin Wilson are two of the more popular names that come to mind when talking about running into the ground. Both didn't take breaks when needed and ultimately lead to possible state champs/national medalist not being able to have the senior year they were capable of.
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Look at amazing runners in the past, Brad Miles, Zach Hebda, and Austin Pondel, were doing 70+ miles per week in high school. They had splendid XC careers and decent track seasons (could have been better with more speed). It proves higher mileage builds greatly
ReplyDeleteBrad Miles had a two and a have month break from running because he was a swimmer. Zach Hebda also was a swimmer (I believe) and didn't run indoor. Austin Pondel got hurt and had a sub-par track season compared to what it could have been.
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But even after swimming those guys got back into heavy mileage. Pondel is a smaller guy compared to others and probably lost physical strength in the winter like other guys. Just trying to point that for most cases higher mileage will make college transition easier.
ReplyDeleteHebda and Miles were not at 70+ miles for track (Miles was at 63 for XC), that would be the most counterproductive training style I've ever heard of in high school. XC I could see because it's a 5k, track their longest event was a 3200. If they we're above 50 miles I'd be shocked. Sam Bernitt did very identical training as Miles in terms of distance and he was an XC stud and actually beat Miles at track states to slip into the 8th and final spot in that insanely fast year. He ran indoor so I guess that's a case where running three seasons after running tons of mileage in the summer paid off. I don't know how drastically he dropped his mileage after XC though.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree about the high school part, but I do agree that the transition into college would be easier to a degree... but you don't get to the next level because of how hard you worked in high school. Let's look at Brad Miles, Zach Hebda, and Dustin Wilson versus Ned Willig, Wade Endress, and Matt Fischer. The Miles, Hebda, and Wilson all were some of the best XC runners the state has seen in the last decade while the Willig, Endress, and Fischer are also established XC runners. Miles, Hebda, and Wilson all ran 60+ miles during their training and Wilson got hurt while Miles/Hebda were saved due to swimming. But that's not the point I'm trying to make, looking at their XC 8k PR's, they are...
Wilson- 24:46 - He ran this time on a crazy, fast course... but I'll give it to him. He also got hurt early in the season...
Hebda- 25:18 - He was a very high mileage guy and did quite well in XC and spring track. Compared to his high school career, his college career is kind of lacking. Many PA runners that weren't close to him in high school exceeded his talents in college.
Miles- 25:24 - He was straight dominant in XC. More dominant than anyone on this list. Yes, Wilson ran faster than him at nationals, but it was a nice day for Wilson. It was muddy and rainy for him. but compared to high school... he didn't show up and has one of the slowest times of the six when he would have destroyed most of these guys in a XC race.
while the three that ran under 60 miles a week and transitioned into college were...
Willig- 25:20 - He had around the average mileage, lower than 60, higher than 45 and come college he turned out to be right there with Hebda and Miles...
Fischer- 24:33 - College has turned him into a great distance runner. He trained well in high school and now is a great racer for penn state, beating all of the sixth when he placed the LOWEST in XC out of all of them and had around the lowest mileage of all of them. He also blows their 5k times out of the water, almost breaking 14.
Endress- 25:30- He did in fact have the lowest mileage of them... by lot... and is slowly but surely building his mileage. For him to be 6 seconds away from Brad Miles is saying something. He beats everyone, except Fischer in a 5k as well.
You can't strain your body so much in high school if you want to peak at the right time in your career. If you want to use your body to get into college, which isn't a bad idea, then Miles, Wilson, and Hebda had it right, but if you want to potentially be a superstar, then I don't believe those high mileage programs are effective. Jock, Symmonds, Batty, and Centrowitz, all of them are elite runners and none of them run more than 65 a week, no reason a high schooler should surpass that. But this is just my opinion and some stats.
-RTJ
Am I correct that Fischer had a stress fracture his Freshman year at college?
DeleteYes. And that is due to jumping millage too quickly. Endress did the same thing in outdoors of PSU and got injured. One issue with low millage in High School. Teams like Syracuse (using as an example because I've heard many stories about them) where they jump guys up to 80 to 90 miles a week. Guys like Hebda get lucky and be successful, while many guys fall through the cracks. It happens in many D1 programs sadly.
Delete--ForrestCRN
Just making a minor correction, Chris Solinsky has also broken 27 and in fact was the 1st non-African to break 27.
ReplyDeleteThis might be ignorant and ik this place is for high schoolers, but it would be kinda neat to have projected FR years for some of the top SR graduates from the past year?
ReplyDeleteFischer didn't have a stress fracture freshman year, he got kicked off the team for some drunken activities. Knocked on a door of the police drunk or something, I can't remember the story.
ReplyDeleteEndress may have gotten hurt sophomore year, but I don't believe it was due to mileage since he's been in the program for over a year at that point. Now, I did notice that he started running longer distances come outdoor so maybe a change in mileage, but he ran as late as every other runner on the team did... except the ones that went to NCAA's so couldn't have been a series injury.
I like that post above. It's a great idea. So many factors can play into why a runner is good or bad. Maybe he just used running to get into school and doesn't care now? Maybe it's too cold for him to train properly, etc. I like it.
-RTJ
Guys who run really low mileage in HS have trouble adapting to the higher mileage in college and are more likely to get injured. Guys who progress to 60-70 miles per week by the end of HS handle the jump to college training more easily. If you have 2 guys who are equally talented and one runs 20 miles per week over the summer and the other runs 60, the guy who is putting in more mileage is likely going to have more success. The other important factor is making sure that you have quality. Quantity without quality is useless. That doesn't mean doing crazy workouts all summer, just adding some harder sessions during training over the summer. A big base gets big results. A smart progression is the key.
ReplyDeleteAnother quick correction. According to articles on the IAAF website, Rudisha only gets up to 60k a week, which equates to 37-38 miles. The latest Running Times has an article on him how he'll go some 8-12ks with training partners who are much more distance oriented, while they continue for another 8-12k themselves.
ReplyDeleteThis is an interesting discussion but it's hard to use Jock/Rudisha and talk about 5k and milers as they are strictly 800m runners.