Tuesday, June 25, 2013

XC Predictions: Top 50 and MORE

After over 12 hours of research, 7 pages of writing, and 4,500 words here is the long awaited XC Top 50 Predictions!!! I will be putting up the top 10 teams with explanation's out tomorrow or Thursday. I've got some idea's but not everything is locked in yet.

Let me know what you think and tell me how wrong I really am :) And please keep commenting and posting your own top 25's or 50's!

1. Tony Russell, Sr West Chester Henderson (1AAA) – There have only been two repeat AAA champions in the past two decades and both were exceptional runners: Danny Coval and Craig Miller. I think Russell has a 33.3% chance of joining this small group. He’s the strongest of any guy in the field, fantastic coaching, and great work ethic. The state course makes it difficult for guys to repeat and so many things can happen on any given day, but I believe he’s the top XC runner in the state of Pennsylvania. He wasn’t as mind blowing on the track as he is in XC, but 4:12 split for a mile and 9:08 with a good bit of leading in the 3200 is no joke. He’s the Hershey course record holder and defending NXNE Regional champ, it’s tough to bet against this guy.
2. Ross Wilson, Sr Council Rock North (1AAA) – I’m sure I’ll get ragged on for this pick, but Ross Wilson is the most motivated guy in the state right now. Russell, Brehm, Martin all have state titles, and he’s hungry to join that group. I think he’ll end up doing it in the 3200 outdoors, but just falling short in cross. He’s grown his speed running 4:17 for 1600 and has one of the top times in the 3200. Etrain continually said he couldn’t keep running hard, but the man ran 8:29, 9:09, 4:17/9:21 double, 9:14 district win, and 9:12 at the state meet. He’s a tank and comes from a program of great coaching and history. I think he goes to nationals as well placing 5th at Footlocker.
 3. Zach Brehm, Jr Carlisle (3AAA)—After running the top Mile time in PA as only a sophomore and winning the 800 at states, Brehm looks to continue the trend and be the 3rd junior in a row to win the AAA XC state title. His 9:18 is a solid mark, but he’s the 5th returning So, and has to prove himself on the hills. The kid is crazy talented, but I don’t see him taking down the title. I’m sure I’ll regret this decision later on. I think he takes 3rd at states, but ends up going to nationals in a 8th place finish at regionals, if he pans out as an XC runner. If not, he could fall as ‘low’ as 15th at the state meet.
4.  Kevin James, Jr Cardinal O’Hara (12AAA) – Hunger + Redemption = A great combination for high success. Kevin James no longer has hopes at a team title as he did the past two years, but instead will be pushing to win a title of his own individually. Without guys like Savage and Pitone in front of him will and team aspirations, will he have the drive to succeed as he has this past season? I believe he does. James know how to get it done and became the spot light this past season unlike many underclassman who are in the shadows of their senior counterparts. He may have a better shot than Brehm to take the title as a Jr.
 5. Ethan Martin, Sr Fox Chapel (7AAA) – 3200m State Champ and was a double gold winner at WPAIL’s for the 1600 and 3200 over his twin brother and Kennedy. I want to say it’s Colin’s time to shine, but Ethan seems to be a few steps ahead both with speed and strength as he threw down a 28 closing 200 at states. He placed 5th last year and is the 3rd returner. Having his brother to train with everyday won’t allow him to slack at all after his recent success, as Colin will be gunning for him. This will keep him sharp and ready for XC, but don’t be too surprised if his brother steps it up.
6.  Brent Kennedy, Sr Kiski Area (7AAA) – I don’t know why, but I have no clue what to do with Kennedy. He’s a FL finalist, 15:03 5k on the track, 4:17 mile, and 9:13 3200. He was second to Russell last year and is a very strong runner. I’ve always been fairly up on Kennedy, but for some reason I’ve got my doubts on where to place him and I’ve got an odd feeling he’ll be like Jaskowak and underachieve in XC compared to the year before. He’s as hungry as Wilson I’m sure. I’m truly hoping he proves me wrong, because if a senior is going to take the title from Russell I think he’s got the best shot of doing so.
7. Reiny Barchet, Sr West Chester Henderson (1AAA) – The only XC All-American from PA is ranked 7th?!?! Am I crazy? Well…  I might be. With such an amazing squad, that could be as good as the Coatesville team from ’06 he’ll have tons of motivation for this season. His list of credentials is as long as his teammate Tony Russell, and if they 1-2 at the state meet I wouldn’t be shocked. He started to burn at the end of outdoor; probably due to the extended seasons, but with some time off he’ll be back for his primary sport: XC. He’s got a big dog to chase, so he doesn’t have the spot light and this could open up an opportunity for him to take the individual state title away from his teammate, mush like Quinn did to Hibbs two years ago.
8. Sam Webb, Jr Pennsbury (1AAA) – How many times can a junior run sub 4:20 for 1600 and 9:14 for 3200, be a multi-state medalist as a sophomore and somehow be 3rd in his class? Yeah, these guys are ridiculous, but so his Sam Webb. His training partner and mentor, Connor Harriman, is now gone which does bother me a bit, but Webb has his eyes on state gold and he’s got competition on all levels whether its dual meets with Wilson or trying to become the top Jr in PA. He’ll be ready to roll and he’s got a solid group behind him looking for a top 5 XC finish after missing out on making it to states last year.
9.  Jake Brophy, So Central Bucks East (1AAA)—Yes, I know, Jake Brophy, a Sophomore is in my top 10 list. It hasn’t happened since Vince McNally in ’05. Abert was 12th this past year as the top So, but Brophy was just 5 seconds off medaling last season and is a gutsy runner. The first 3200 he ran at Helman was a 9:43, he went out in 5:00 with Brian Arita and then dropped a 4:43. He then improved that time with a 9:32 finish at districts. Sam Webb ran that and finished 14th at XC the next season, but Brophy has a bigger XC background. With the solid coaching of Paul Wilson (yes father of Ross Wilson), Brophy will look to begin to make his dents in PA history.
10. Dominic Deluca, Sr Dallas (2AA)—Deluca placed second last year at Foundations to Harriman’s big kick, but was nicked by an injury and placed 11th at AA states last XC season. He is the top returner in AA, and oh… he silently ran 9:13 for 3200 at the Henderson Distance festival this spring. He will be looking to take on the mantle of the great AA runners from last season, and I think he will step up to do so. Don’t look for something amazing at states, but he’ll be in the mix with these top guys throughout the season at XC meets all over.
11. Colin Martin, Sr Fox Chapel (7AAA) – Being the twin of a state champion is always tough, but he’s almost at his brother’s level. He’ll be looking to prove himself after a breakout spring season. FC has two up and coming juniors and with one more piece they’ll be a force. He’ll be looking to finish top 5 with his brother at the state meet.
12. Colin Abert, Jr Easton (11AAA) – Well how about that, this was his place in last year’s XC state meet as he finished as the top sophomore, and now I’ve got him ranked 4th in his class. This may be my biggest mistake on this list. Abert went out really hard and Etrain and I both thought he would die, but he ran strong the whole race. He’s really gutsy and added a 4:20 1600 to his credentials this past spring season. He didn’t make much noise in the 3k or 3200 (9:40), but I’d have to imagine he’ll find his way into the top 10 at AAA states.
13. Sam Ritz, Jr Germantown Academy (Independent League) – Sam as under his old brother Ben’s shadow all year until his breakout race at the distance festival where he ran 4:11 for a full mile. He’s also got a 9:22 3200 under his belt. He’ll be in the spot light now, which does scare me a bit, but I think his talent will propel him to be an XC stud. It’ll be tough to show how good he truly is, but I hope he places well at regionals. I doubt he’ll have what it takes to get to nationals though.
14. Matt McGoey, Jr North Allegheny (7AAA) – NA will be gunning for WCH this season and McGoey will be leading the charge. He had a poor race last year at states, but stepped up this spring season with a 9:23 3200. I think he’ll be the one to step up and lead this really tight pack.
15. Aaron Gebhart, Jr New Oxford (3AAA) – It’s easy to be over looked when you’re in a class of 3 Sophomore XC medalist’s and a 4:09 So Miler, but Gebhart has silently improved and placed well in both XC and in spring track. He was 28th at states in XC (16:33) and ran 9:32 in the 3200. He will need a big jump to keep up with his fellow classmates, but he should still be a force in District 3 and a state medalist in AAA.
16. Jeremy Parsons, Sr Maplewood (10A) - Top returning A runner after placing 5th last season. A was really quite strong last year, but this division lost a lot of great guys, we’ll see if he can step up to prove that A is worthy of recognition once again. In the spring he didn’t run very much, but does have a 9:45 3200 to his name, and it seems he will be a factor again in the A scene. (16:28 @ states). His twin brother Jake had an off-day at states and could very well be a top finisher. Watch out for this duo.
17. Griffin Molino, Jr South Williamsport (4A) – Molino was 8th in A last season and was overshadowed in District 4 by Williams and Jewett. Now that they have left he’ll be taking the spotlight. He really broke out this spring running 9:26 for 3200 and 4:24 for 1600. I think he’s got a great shot at being the second A state champion in state history.  (16:36 @ states).
18. Cole Nissley, Sr Lower Dauphin (3AAA) – On an LD team of some up and down runners, Cole Nissley has proved to be extremely consistent. He finished 6th at districts and came back to place 33rd at the state meet. It’s always tough to complete that back-to-back. He and Groh will be a force in district 3 and they hope to lead LD to a top 5 finish at the state meet.
19. Christian Kardish, Sr Holy Ghost Prep (1AA) – Kardish was out most of last XC season due to an onset on Mono. He recovered quite nicely and in spring going 4:20 for 1600. He was a 4:18 guy as a sophomore and ran well in XC before the mono and I think he’ll be out to prove himself as a senior. HGP has had some very successful runners recently and I think he competes for a AA title.
20. Eric Stratman, Sr West Chester Henderson (1AAA) –Stratman will very likely be there #3 as he has 4:19 1600 and 9:28 3200 to his name. He was there #3 at Ches-Mont’s but 6th at states, his high positioning gave them the win. But with this teams depth even a guy like him could be fighting to stay on the varsity team.
21. Matt Willig, Sr Great Valley (1AAA) – Hmmm, what to say about Matt Willig… He seems to always step it up at the best times. Right when I start thinking that he’ll be a bust, he does something like place 29th at the state meet.
22. Jim Belfatto, Sr Cardinal O’Hara (12 AAA) – Belfatto was fairly unheard of until his amazing 9:22 on the track in XC last season before regionals. He went on to run some solid 1600’s and 8’s indoors and outdoors. It seemed that he sacrificed a lot to try and help the O’Hara relays that sadly never panned out. With his focus this season on longer distances, much like Logue, we could very well see him explode. He’s a strength runner which is great for XC and he’ll be looking to help O’Hara back to the state meet.
23. Ben Szuhaj, Jr Penn Charter (Independent League) – Ben ran very well at XC regionals for a sophomore and his 9:00 3k in December really impressed me, but he fell off the map until the Henderson distance festival where he ran 8:51 for 3k. He could be coming into his own and if so he’ll be a real force next season and may be battling with Sam Ritz.
24. Aiden Demko, Jr Hershy (3AAA) – It’s tough coming out of District 3 and running well at the state meet. Todaro was able to do it, but Demko may have lost a lot of deserved credit after placing 12th at districts and then 85th at the state meet. He beat Gebhart, but didn’t have a great track season, only running 9:43 for 3200. He’s going to have to step it up to be considered as a top jr, but still has great potential with a good running partner in Will Sponaugle.
25. Mike Meehan, Sr North Allegheny (7AAA) – He was the top guy for NA before getting injured before WPIAL’s last XC season. He didn’t run in winter or spring to my knowledge and it could have been a stress fracture. I think he comes back and helps bring the NA squad close to Henderson at states. If he doesn’t end up coming back they’ll have a tough time doing it.
26. Patrick Reilly, Sr Dallastown (3AAA)- He placed second at Districts last year, but had a bad race at the state meet. He only ran 9:35 for 3200 this spring, but he’s always performed better during XC.
27. Jeff Groh, Lower Dauphin (3AAA) – Groh was the district 3 XC champ two years ago as just a sophomore, but he had major issues in XC last season. He came back well on the track running 4:16 and 9:23. He could very well be in shape to place top 10 at the state meet, especially with a great partner in Nissley. I’m still a bit hesitant to put him any higher, but he could easily move up on this list.
28. Sam Haugh, Jr West Chester Henderson (1AAA)—Here begins the WCH pack. Honestly, I hate having to pick one guy over the other for this team as anyone could step up for them to take a spot 3-7. Haugh got injured before regionals, but was there #4 man at states and Ches-Mont’s for XC. It seems to be his sport and he’ll be looking to gain that back this season.
29. Cordon Louco, Sr North Allegheny (7AAA) – Louco made some major improvements as a junior and he’ll be the big senior leader on this NA squad. He ran 9:29 for 3200 and was very consistent throughout XC and track this past year.
30. Seamus Collins, Jr West Chester Henderson (1AAA) – And now it seems we round out Henderson’s top 5. Collins looked to be a great 1200 with fantastic strength indoors and the start of outdoors until he faded while Moy and Stratman came on the scene. I think he comes up big during XC for them and runs some strong times.
31. Aaron Benka, Jr Grove City (10AA)- Benka is the next man in line to be a great Grove City runner after recent success stories like Jaskowak and Kildoo. This coaching staff knows how to mold runners and both guys had big breakout seasons as Jr’s and Benka is hoping to do the same. Look for him to be competing for a top 3 spot in AA. (18th @ AA States in 16:53)
32. Dominic Hockenberry, So Lake-Lehman (2AA)- Very few freshmen break the 17:00 mark at the XC state meet, but he was able to do so. Hopefully this young man continues to improve on his already obvious talent. (22nd at AA States in 16:56)
33. Chris Kazanjian, Sr Penncrest (1AAA) – Chris shocked a lot of people, even myself, with a huge race at XC states placing 20th. I was hoping this would be the start of a breakout career for him, but he was quite silent on the track. He’ll be looking to bounce back and prove he’s worthy of medaling again in a very deep AAA field.
34. Joesph Logue, Sr Pennridge (1 AAA) – Logue has never seemed like much of an XC guy, but he showed great speed in the 1500 with a 3:55. As he has grown and now has no relay teams to work with, I believe he’ll be moving up in distance to the 1600. This XC season will be giving him the base and I think he’ll be upping millage. This could be a bust, but Logue is a hard, driving worker and I believe he’ll be successful with this change.
35. Eric Diestelow, Jr West Chester East (1AAA) – Wasn’t totally sure were to put Diestelow on this list. He’s an XC stud for sure, but didn’t have a breakout track season. He’s a year older and most guys’ breakout as juniors. I think he can really blossom this XC season and will be fighting for a medal at the state meet.
36. William Cather, Sr State College (6AAA) – Cather really broke out in the 800 both indoors and outdoors until he was plagued with an injury around his district meet. He had a disappointing finish last XC season, taking only 68th place in 17:01, but he looks to turn around his luck with a new year.
37. Brandon Bilotta, Sr La Salle (12AAA)- Most of La Salle has graduated, leaving Bilotta and Sophomore Patrick Grant. He ran well indoors and outdoors in the longer distances and seems to be an XC guy. With 9:25 3200 credentials and sub 2 800, he’ll be trying to lead this team back to states in what should be a battle for the District 12 championship.
38. Kyle Francis, Sr Bensalem (1AAA) – As a breakout 800 start with a couple 1:51 splits Francis could very well become an XC star. He has made it to states the past two season and usually surprises at districts on a fast course. I bet he can place top 10 or 15 in district 1, but it’ll be tougher for him to medal at states due to hills. He may prove me wrong, and if he does he’s got top 20 potential. He was 57th a year ago.
39. Nathan Sloan, Sr Hampton (3AAA) – I really liked what Sloan did this outdoor season as he dropped a 4:19 1600 and a 9:43 3200 on the double from a 4:24 early in the season. He seems to be a strength runner and that will greatly aid him for XC.
40. Brad Wilt, Jr  Biglerville (3A)- Wilt stepped up at states last year in XC for a 12th place finish in A and he’s looking to continue that success this season. He won D3 AA in the 1600 with a 4:28 effort, along with his got the XC credentials he may have a big breakout season.
41. Chris Cummings, Sr West Chester East (1AAA) – Cummings was a real stud in XC for WCE as he placed 40th at states. He had a tougher time on the track running 4:35 and 9:35, which is solid, but up to par with his XC times. He’ll be with some great training partners in Dages and Diestelow (whose name I’m hoping to be able to spell by the end of this year!) and I could see him climbing up this list.
42. Kevin Moy, Sr West Chester Henderson (1AAA) – A 4:16/1:55 guy only 42nd on this list and 6th on his team? That’s what you get with WCH. Moy may not even be on the top 7, but after a huge breakout this spring he may also be making his way up this list by the end of the season.
43. Billy Caldwell, Sr Downingtown West (1AAA) – Caldwell really impressed me at the end of the track season with his 4:20 mile and 1:55 800. He was 65th at states last season and he’ll be working off this momentum.
44. Seamus Love, Jr North Allegheny (7AAA) – Love ran a 4:28 mile and 10:36 3200 on the track and he’s in a tight working pack. Look for him to continue improving with the help of his teammates this XC season.
45. Aaron Lauer, Sr Red Land (3AAA) – Lauer was 64th a year ago in XC and he added a 4:21 1600 to his name this spring season. He’ll be looking to improve into the mid to low 30’s in AAA or even grab himself a medal during XC.
46. Alex Knapp, Jr West Chester Henderson (1AAA) – Yes, I think that Henderson will have all 7 of their guys in the top 50. I have no idea if Knapp will be the one to cap off this group as Gordy Barchet and company look to grab spots of their own on this varsity squad. Knapp was 7th man a year ago and I thought it was only fair to put him on this list.
47. Brian Arita, Jr Council Rock North (1AAA) – Here comes my CRN bias again, but Arita is ready to explode. He wants to add himself to the list of top juniors in the state. He’s got a lot of work to do, but I think he makes his way onto this list. He’s got multiple 9:59 3200 clocking to his name, but he’s really no track guy. CRN runners are known to break out as juniors and he wants to put his team back in that top 3 spot for XC states.
48. Scott Seel, Jr North Allegheny (7AAA) – Seel was 45th last year during XC, but only ran the 800 at track invitational’s this spring. This does worry me a bit, which is why he’s ranked as there 5th guy. Not sure if NA will hold all 5 guys on this list and I may be giving them and WCH too much credit, but I do like the spreads of both teams and if you’ve got a 14 second spread, it’s hard to have 1 on the list without the other 4
49. Chris Kienzle, Sr Kennett (1AAA) – He’ll have a ton of competition coming out of the ches-mont league which is as strong as ever this year. Kienzle has 4:28 and 9:43 to his name and looks to make his way to the state meet out of a tough district one.
50. Jacob Connors, Jr Wilson (3AAA) – Connors is only an XC guy, but was able to run 17:03 at states for a 71st place finish. If he can have a breakout season he’ll be in great shape for a medal run.

People to just miss the List in no particular order:
·         Trevor Blackwell, Jr New Castle (3AAA)
·         Jared Luckanitz, Jr Governor Mifflin (3AAA)
·         Jeffery Wiseman, Sr Council Rock South (1AAA)
·         Dylan Butera, Sr Strath Haven D1 AAA
·         Joe Sullivan, Sr Mrg Bonner (12AA)
·         Christian Donnelly, Sr Cardinal O’Hara (12AAA)
·         Alexander Balla, Sr Quakertown (1AAA)
·         Doran and Zatlin of Great Valley (1AAA)

Other A contenders:
·  Greg Wagner, Sr Jenkintown (1A) - Won District 1 A in 16:29 over Tom Seykora.
·    New Hope-Solebury returns there whole squad. (5 sr’s, a jr and so)
·   Gary Olson, Jr North East (10A) – Olson looks to step out of Smathers’ light this season after beating him at districts in XC last year. Smathers had a big Jr year, let’s see if he can do the same.
Other AA contenders:
·  Kyle Gonoude, Jr Salisbury (11AA) – Placed 16th @ AA States in 16:52
·   Bo Dinger, Jr Punxsutawney (9AA)-  Placed 19th @ AA States in 16:53
·   Kyle Shinn, Jr Wyomissing Area (3AA) – Placed 25th @ AA States in 17:00. He’s the top returner in District 3 AA.
·   William Kachman, So Bedford High (5AA) – Placed 30th @ AA States in 17:07. He also placed 4th in the district 6 championships combined race. Also has another sophomore training partner in Zane Baker.


Potential Breakout Sophomores
·Jake Susalla, So Plum (7AAA)- Was 16th at WPIAL’s last XC season as a freshman and ran 17:25 at states.
·  Kyle Ortiz, So Archbishop Wood (12AA) – Placed 5th last season at districts. ABW has had some solid guys in the past.
·  Joeseph Pisacano, So St Joes Prep (12AAA)- Placed 15th last season at districts.
·  Matt Murry, So Dunmore (2AA) – Ran 17:11 at XC states
·  Levi Upham, So Northeast Bradford (4A) – He’s got big shoes to fill now that Jewett and Williams are gone, but they are good mentors and I think he will be successful in the future.
·  Patrick Grant, So La Salle (12AAA) – Ran 4:31 for 1600 along with some solid 1200 legs indoors. They’ve got a great program and he’s got the potential to break out this season.
·  Dan Quigley, So Freedom (11AAA) – Was 5th at districts and will be chasing Abert this season. He’s on a young Freedom team, who are returning 5 of their top 6. Look to see them back at states and possibly a top 10 finish in AAA.
· Stephen Baime, So North Allegheny (7AAA) – If Mike Meehan doesn’t return he’ll be needed to step up as will Chang (Sr) and McClure (Sr). Baime may be able to do major damage if he pans out well.
-- Thanks to a poster I learned about Rob Morro, So Cardinal O'Hara (12AAA) -- Totally over looked this kid as O'Hara had so many pieces last season. He dropped a 4:25 1500 and 9:56 for 3200. It's rare that freshman break 10 flat and usually means good things to come. He could be huge for O'Hara.

That's all for Now Folks!

--ForrestCRN

28 comments:

  1. Wow. Impressive body of work, Forrest, Will be back to comment after I absorb it all.

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  2. Alright fine. I'll be the first doubter. Zach Brehm showed us this spring that he has a lot of potential. And it's certainly possible that he could finish third in the state or even higher this year. But it's WAAAAAY to early to give him that much credit. He's been good on the track, but compared to some of the guys below him on this list, his XC credentials are basically nonexistent. As a cross country runner, he's totally untested. I have to see him run a few races this year before I'm okay with seeing him at third place on this list. Until Brehm gets a few wins under his belt, Kevin James is this year's number one junior. /endrant

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  3. So is this where they will be at the beginning of the year or end of the year?

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  4. Well I think we know who the top 2 teams are....

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    1. And after Henderson, the other is ????

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    2. That would be North Alleghany, seeing as their top 5 were in the top 50

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    3. True, but NA leaders need to step up. There are 4-5 teams that can take the second spot if they develop a solid number 5 (especially true for COH).

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    4. I was speaking about Forrest's top 2. I can't say I believe NA will end up #2. There are a lot of great teams, but based on the above list, NA appears the #2 in his eyes.

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  5. Hmmm, Connor that's a really good question. I guess I mixed it up with them a lot. Guys like Russell may not be the top runner in the state at the start, same with a lot of the Henderson group as they usually come on late, but guys like Groh I believe will be higher later in the season, but they need to prove themselves.

    I'm a believer in Brehm to a fault. He was 8th last year in district 3 and came back to place 34th at the state meet. I wouldn't call those non-existent credintials. He's also got a 9:18 3200 where he closed in 60.0 and a 4:09 mile is a big deal. 5k really isn't that much further, we're not talking about 10k here. He's a big, strong kid and hills may benefit him since he's a strength guy. But all that being said, yes, I think I'm pulling the trigger a bit early and Kevin James is probably the top Jr in the state and I believe he will be on my rankings until at least halfway through the season if not later. There was a lot of information and my heads still a bit jumbled. Feel free to be nitpicky :) I like reconsidering stuff like this.

    --ForrestCRN

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  6. Will you do weekly list changes based on weekly performances like etrain did last year?

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  7. i believe Meehan was a senior last year and graduated, someone corrected me if im wrong but I think the results messed up his age

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    1. He's going into his senior year. He has yet to be healthy for a cross country season so maybe that could confuse some

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    2. Meehan ran in the 2009 State Championships, which is pretty hard to do when you're in 8th grade.

      He graduated.

      http://pa.milesplit.com/meets/57335/results/108662

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    3. Yup, just checked it again on runhigh.com, he did graduate this past year, but all results with his name said he was a junior.

      Really sorry about that guys! I'll be more careful in the future. I'll be editing these posts a bit tomorrow/tonight.

      --ForrestCRN

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  8. arita on the list over seel? serious bias going on here ..... hard to see ethan martin down at 5, he was 5th at states last year and had the best track season out of anybody in the state who is coming back ... kennedy is a footlocker finalist who was injured most of indoors and still came back to run some really solid marks, he is real underrated at his spot at 7th, that's what he finished as a soph at states ... colin martin also ranked pretty low, he is been consistently improving and isn't that far off ethan's ability ... wpial deserves a bit more credit here I think, sloan is a solid runner

    not sure how logue can be ahead of francis? francis had a huge track season and I believe he has had much more success in xc than logue in year's past

    diestelow and cather I think both should be higher as well

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  9. Great list and I can't wait to see things change and people to surprise. This was obviously well researched but you did have and error. Billy Caldwell is DTE not DTW, but that isn't that big of a deal. I'm sure people will disagree with some of your predictions just keep on working at it.

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  10. I'm going to defend Forrest on this list. I can definitely understand where everyone wants a certain 2 or three runners to be higher. HOWEVER, to push all of these athletes higher is to push other athletes lower. Maybe C. Martin should be 8 instead of 11, but at this point the list is a prediction. The list isn't for the runner with the best credentials. It is a list of where Forrest thinks the runners will be. Unless you want to give a specific change: "Kennedy and Wilson should switch places" or "Put E. Martin in Brehm's spot and move Brehm and James down a spot" we should criticize too much. No one here has written their own TOP 50 list with these explanations. FYI: That'd be an awesome if multiple people sent in their own TOP 50 or Top 10 teams as their own post. If Forrest is agreeable, I can guarantee I'll send in a Top 10 team list.
    Also, Forrest; Would you mind posting an unexplained list with just names for the Top 50 like Etrain did. Forrest you are the man.

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  12. Nice to see a solid list put out to start up the discussion! good job my friend!

    Hope this doesn't sound too much like a washed up old man but here it goes:

    Ahhh the top 50 list, my favorite part of blogging back in the day! it's fun but be prepared for criticism ... I'd obviously have some things flipped around but that's just me ... I'm tempted to make my own list, but I will resist the urge ... I suppose this is the hardest part of being retired ...

    Always tricky to avoid biases bc there will always be people you know better than others, just do the best you can and try not to get too worked up by criticism!

    It is a tricky line to watch, however, I had to deal with it with francis back in the day, I always purposely ranked him lower than I thought he would finish because I assumed i'd be biased without even realizing it

    That being said this is a great list! The more you do it the better you will get! Don't let the haters get to you, everyone is going to have their own opinion, and some will be ruder about it than others

    Great job and keep up the good work!

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  13. This list is based at the end of the season how he thinks they will do at States. Kevin James may have the fastest time in the state, but come states he may place 4th. This is a great list. The only thing I would change is Barchet a bit higher, Kardish a good amount lower, Belfatto a bit lower, Collins higher (top 25), Haugh lower, Logue a bit lower, Cummings and Diestelow higher (both top 30). When I say lower I mean closer to 50 and when I say higher I mean closer to 1.

    My only concern is that I heard WCE boys were already at about 45 miles a week... two weeks ago. For high school, I don't believe anything past 60 will do good. Say what you want, but that's my belief. Wade Endress can place 2nd at States and run 15:54 off 30 miles a week so yeah. When it comes to college and what not 75+ miles a week is acceptable because there are 10ks and what not, but for 5k, anything over 60 is overkill in my opinion. Most people think "the more miles the better" but that's not true. The more miles you run the more injury-prone you will be. The trick is finding the least amount of miles to run while still being fit enough to win. For Endress that was 30, for some it may be 50, but you want to get max performance while running as little as possible.

    I'd like to do a top team list, but I think I'll wait for Forrest to make the post then I'll do mine.

    -RTJ

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  14. Hey guys, I'd love to continue doing stuff on this blog, but 7 hours ago, the owner of this blog changed the password and locked me out. Not sure why or what is going on, but I'm hoping to get an e-mail with an explanation. If nothing happens I'll probably end up posting my top 50 list here with no explanations to make it easier to see.

    Also thanks for the critism, you guys make really great points and honestly you're making me want to move some things around :) Post why you want things moved, not just saying: "Barchet should be higher".

    Also, if I don't get in by tomorrow afternoon I'll post my teams list and explanation here as well. Hopefully we work things out, because I don't want to make a new blog. I'd like the community to stay together :)

    That's all for now Folks!

    --ForrestCRN

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  15. For Ohara to contend for second Donnelly needs to step up this year. Him and Drew Pastore switched back an forth a lot so they both have play a huge role.

    Also Forrest you left out Nick Smart from Ohara. He is better than Donnelly so he should at least be in they just missing category. Nick was injured in XC and I think he got more comfortable with new training and stuff like that because he went from a 1:58 guy to a 1:55 low guy. He like Belfatto did a lot for the relays so we didn't see much in the mile. But I think James, Belfatto, Smart is a pretty darn good top 3 and good enough to keep Ohara close to NA seeing as Ohara always has a really good spread too.

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    1. I'm not a big fan of how everyone thinks that a good 800 translate to a good 5k runner. We can't exactly say Smart has proven himself in XC. Logue, Caldwell, and Francis fall into that category as well. Granted, they all have decent miles and they still show they're talent on the xc course. However, when it comes to a 5k, there are some guys on the just miss list that are probably better than them in the 3k up. Not saying some of these guys shouldn't be on the list. But probably not as high as they should be.

      I hate to be the annoying negative guy here but c'mon Forrest. Arita at 47? Really? He hasn't shown enough to solidify himself at that spot. Someone who I'll be watching and someone who I think will have a nice season. But I think too much bias came into that part. But I'll agree with Wilson at #2. I would be surprised to see him at #1 at the end of the season.

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  16. And to the guy that locked out Forrest, grow up dude. If you're not gonna do it then he should.

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  17. I think Barchet's credentials and the training situation give a higher spot. Another name to throw in the mix: Caleb Wakeley (incoming Sr.). Due to injury and an underwhelming track season (9:40ish, upper 4:30's) he's gone off the map more or less. Last year XC he was out all summer + more than half the season and ran a 16:59 off of a couple days of running. Has a 9:32 3200 pr from sophomore year, 16:38 and sub 9:50 as a freshman. And biggest thing being a 25th place at states in 16:33 as a sophomore. One of 2 sophomores that medaled that year, other being Kennedy in 7th.

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  18. What about Matt Kazanjian? Really solid spring season and in top 50 last year. Lost to his brother by 2 seconds for 3200 at districts. He will have a great season and finish right near his brother. Why isn't he on the just missed or in the top 50?
    Dave Fowler too. Got hurt at districts last year and couldn't run much of the indoor season. Had a good outdoor season running about 4:24. He'll make states and should be close to the medal stand like Bodine last year.
    Tristan Marcellis will have a good season. Just missed states last year by a second. Didn't see much of him in the spring, but he is a xc guy and will run great times

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  19. I don't believe anyone thinks that 800 translates to XC strength. I think he was saying that Francis is a strength runner and then mentioned his 1:51 splits and his mile speed. Then Logue he mentioned his 3:57 1500 speed and thought that with nice summer training he would run that at States.

    I think Barchet should be moved up because in XC he usually rose to the occasion. Second at districts, 2nd at regionals, and All-American. States he ran well too. Honestly, I believe he could have placed higher. In an interview when he noticed Russell speeding up he said, "That's not what we're here to do." Meaning he was just running at a "safe" pace to ensure his team's victory and at a pace he knew he could handle. Playing if safe more or less. I'd say since all of that other stuff is under their belt, this year he goes all out and places top 5.

    My top 10 would be...

    Tony Russell - If he runs through the line
    Brent Kennedy- If Russell doesn't run through the line. Sprint finish.
    Kevin James
    Ross Wilson
    Reiny Barchet
    Ethan Martin
    Sam Webb
    Colin Martin
    Zach Brehm
    Sam Ritz

    Does anyone know where the videos from States are for track? I'm beginning to think there are none...

    -RTJ

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