Wednesday, February 19, 2014

Mile Questions

Sorry I had 4 hours of night class and some more work to get done afterwards so it's Noon today and I am updating the post. I will also have one out tonight about the 3k, although Etrain did a nice post about it on his blog called: www.therealtrain.blogspot.com

There is not as much historical consistency in terms of winning time or medalling in the Mile as there is the 800m, so I won’t bog you guys down with too much History. Since 2006 it has taken sub 4:25 to medal at the state meet with the exception of 2008 when two runners medalled with 4:27’s, despite the fact that 4 runners went under 4:20. 24 runners have gone sub 4:20 in the past 8 years, meaning an average of 3 runners go under that mark. Interestingly enough back in 2009 Ivon Milic-Straklj won in just 4:21.19 (went to Haverford, a D3 school), while just the next year it took Chris O’Sullivan a 4:21.64 effort to place 8th!  The Mile has always been quite odd at the PA state meet, but let me try and breakdown this year’s big questions going into the meet:

1.  Will Tony Russell look to break Paul Springer’s Meet Record of 4:12.61 that was set back in 2007?

2. Will the consistency of 3 runners sub 4:20 continue this season? If so, who will these runners be?

3. What will be the 8th place medaling time (approx.)?

4. Lastly: Who will run this event? With the winner so clear and away, yet the 800m so stacked and the 3k so wide open, what will runners choose?

Now, I will address these questions below, feel free to answer them your self’s in the comments so we can get some good discussion going.

1. I personally do not see why Tony Russell will not go after the state meet record for a variety of reasons. First off he has run under the state meet time twice this season so he is clearly capable of doing so, it’s not like it will take a big PR for him to go after it. Secondly, I see his biggest strength is exactly that: his strength. There will be some kickers in this field, per usual in the Mile, so Russell’s best option is to get far enough away from the field as he can. With only 1 other runner having gone sub 4:20 this season from PA if he takes it out hard there is no chance anyone will be able to stay with him. Lastly, Russell has not run the 3k this season which means his only option for a double will be the DMR. The 3k would have given him less of a break and I would understand if he was going for double gold in both open events if he would hold some back in the Mile. With the DMR his team has run 10:27 without him which is by far and away the top PA time of the year so far and with him they have run 10:15. If he feels dead after running a blazing Mile, I do not believe his DMR team will need him to grab the Gold. If he feels good you’ve got the option of putting him on either the 1200m or the Mile leg. Having amazing teammates like Moy make his life much easier when it comes to the relay. With all of this being said, I believe and hope that Tony Russell will go after the state meet record in two weeks.

2. Tony Russell seems to be an obvious candidate to run under 4:20, especially if he goes for the record. If he does go for it, this could throw a major wrench into the race, bringing up multiple questions: a) will anyone go with him? B) How will the pace be after him?

If he truly goes for it the only person I could see attempting to go with the pace is Jaxson Hoey of Malvern Prep who is the only other guy under 4:20 this season. Hoey is only a sophomore and we’ve seen him run very tough on multiple occasions, actually outkicking Russell at the Duece of Singer Farms. I know it wasn’t a ‘real’ race, but still the kid’s got speed and that’s another reason I see Russell wanting to get away from him. Even if they go out in ~2:07 I think Hoey doesn’t die too hard and can break 4:20 but he will fall off Russell no doubt. Behind that, how will the pace look? Some guys might just wait and the race could get really slow, but Colin Abert might try and lead a second pack in what would be a ‘suicide’ effort and help some guys under the mark. Here are is list of candidates I see with the ability to break the mark and who are likely, in my opinion, to run the Mile.

Jaxon Hoey (4:19.24) (enough said already)

Brendan Bilotta (4:21.28) – He’s run very, very well all season and is clearly improving. LaSalle peaks at the right time, especially in track. He ran that time on a flat track. I think he’s got the best shot at 3rd.

Jim Belfatto (4:22.16) – Belfatto has had a very productive season and he’s been in some solid races. He’s got 2 seconds to drop, and he’d have to run an impressive race to break the mark, but it could be possible. Right now I do not have Kevin James on the list, since I see him running the 3k.

Billy Caldwell (4:23.96) Sam Ritz (4:24.03), and Michael Becich (4:24.50) – These are the 3 dark horses going into the race. All 3 have great 800m speed and have run nice Mile’s so far this season. Sam Ritz has a 4:11 PR but has not been as strong this season as I had hoped (looking for sub 4:20 by now), and he may not even attend the state meet. Caldwell’s got a big kick and did run 4:20 at the end of last outdoor season. It would be tough for him to PR indoors, but it could happen. Michael Becich ran that 4:24 solo at a meet earlier this season and must be in some pretty sick shape. I have no idea what to expect out of him, but he could drop a bomb and place 2nd.

Super Dark Horse: Ross Wilson – Wilson ran 4:17 outdoors last season in the 1600m which really shocked me, but indoors this season he’s been a bit disappointing with a loss to Jake Brophy in the 3k and only running 4:26 so far this season. If he really pulls it all together he might be able to go under.

Last limbs: Jeff Groh and Kevin Moy – Both have some of the top PR’s coming into the season (both broke 4:17), but neither has run anything too telling so far this season. Moy has run 3:06 for a 1200m split however and if he can translate that to the Mile he could do big things. Groh is coming off injury so he should be making much larger strides than many of the other runners since he’s coming into shape a bit later, if he’s fully recovered watch for him to bring down the Hammer as well.

3. There is a lot of field potential behind all of these studs who could very well break 4:26 and possibly 4:25 at the state meet which include the following:
Reiny Barchet (4:27.24) - Barchet is an XC animal and is a clear distance guy to me. He's going to a very distance oriented team in Colorado next season and I'm shocked he's not in the open 3k. That being said I bet he can run ~4:23 at states if he chooses to run the open.

 Brad Faust (4:27.45) who had a really solid race at Kevin Dare and has fantastic XC credentials as he peaked perfectly. If he can do the same indoors I bet he can drop into the 4:22 range. 

Mitchell Coakley (4:27.55) - He surprised me this weekend at the Carnival and I bet will continue to drop time, especially on a banked track. But I don't see him doing much faster than the 4:24 high range.

Ultimately this field is pretty deep for the Mile going into the state meet and I have no doubt that it will take a sub 4:25 effort to get a medal this season. If the pace can be kept fast after Russell I could see it taking 4:23 low to medal at best.

4. I am still unsure what Kevin James will do, since the 3k is somewhat open, but no question Dominic Deluca will choose 3k and Kyle Francis will choose the open 800. I'm not sure what Ryan Grace will do as the relay's are important to North Penn, but he could very well grab himself a medal. He has been so strong all season. I also want to mention Mike Kolor who is just a sophomore that dropped a 4:28.61 converted 1600m this weekend! I'm hoping he can put together another solid race at states to truly prove he's another big stud for that sophomore class.

That's all for Now Folks! Feel free to rip me for putting Moy and Groh that far down the list, since I'm sure it's coming.

--ForrestCRN

31 comments:

  1. I don't believe Ritz can run at the State meet. Nationals is his final indoor meet.

    I believe Russell said in an interview he was running the mile and whatever relay they chose.

    Caldwell is the biggest dark horse of the race I believe. I think in a good race he can pull out third to Hoey and Russell.

    I think Wilson was a great pick as well. He split a fast mile about a month ago and will definitely be ready for States in a little under two weeks. I think he run around 4:20 for a top 5 medal.

    I hope they let Moy run open because he honestly deserves to. He can very well medal in the mile and I feel for Barchet who I believe could have been a top three 3k runner. His 9:08 is only beat by two PA active runners and he is no joke when it comes to post season. sucks he can't run anything, but a relay.

    -RTJ

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    1. Barchet ran 4:25 open in the 1600 at armory, why wouldn't he run states in that?

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    2. Ritz can run states... Independent teams are allowed for indoors but not outdoors.

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    3. Barchet will probably run only the mile the way things have shaped up. That seems like a waste of the 5th place XC runner, if he can't make his teams DMR it's doubtful he'll make a mark in the mile but the 3000 would be a different story.

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  2. Will you be doing a 4x8 and DMR preview for states?

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  3. I guess that's the downside to not running in that many meets like WCH. You only get one or two shots at qualifying at best. I fully expected to see Barchet in that wide open 3k race, which I think he could win. I think Moy's one and only mile run was at their first meet in Yale where he ran a smoking 800 the day before. I'm guessing he could easily be a contender especially with that recent 3:05. Is Wilson qual'd in the 3k? If so, my guess is that's where he runs. Brehem has been lying low but that could mean anything-he could be ready to unleash a winning time. If I am not mistaken, he has the fastest mile of the whole bunch, including Russell, under his belt.

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  4. Question is who will run relays and who will run the 3K. Will Wilson or Kardish run the DMR (and the mile) and not the 3K?

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    1. The 3K will be lucky to have 10 guys.

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  5. http://www.therealtrain.blogspot.com/
    THE TRAIN IS BACK!

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  6. If WCH isn’t going after the state title I might start buying into the arrogance talk. A PA team championship is worth more than some national relay and nationals are two weeks later anyway so they can do both no problem. On a good day Russell can take gold in both the mile and 3000. Moy can score points in the 800 and mile, Barchet, Collins and Stratman are all serious medal contenders in the 3000 and the DMR is a runaway. If after the 3000 they’re still in contention bring guys back on the triple for the DMR. Friggin go for it, no distance team has ever had this opportunity!

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    1. State winning teams don't get remembered anywhere near as much as national champions... all of their runners besides moy and Russell have been running very poorly compared to their times last year anyway so i highly doubt they had any chance of winning States as a team anyway.

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    2. Maybe you're right. It would have been exciting to see them go for it though. I hate that sprint teams have such an advantage.

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    3. I'd rather be the team state champ then national champ of some obscure relay.

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    4. Dmr is not obsure at all..... and let's get back to the mile. It doesn't matter if Henderson went for the state meet or not. It wouldn't happen

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    5. ^^ You can't make that claim until you have felt the glory of both

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    6. What arrogance? I don't think Henderson has any shot of winning a team title and I think they know it. So what? And I think they have some seriously good competition at the dmr. I wouldn't call them a lock for that or anything.

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    7. How can they hav any serious competition in the DMR? With Barchet they still have the fastest DMR in the state(I think) but with Russel in that, they're 14 seconds faster. It's obvious you're on another DMR, and for that I wish you good luck but don't down grade the fact WCH DMR is on another level then any other team in the state right now.

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    8. Poster has a valid point. If Henderson runs dmr on the back of 2, 3 of those guys doubling and another hot team right now runs it fresh... you never know.

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    9. ^^^ Any team that can contend in the DMR has guys running on the double too, none of the top teams will be fresh. Though with the mile being so early, teams with guys doubling in the mile instead of the 3000 would probably have an advantage.

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    10. That WHC being arrogant comment probably comes from the misplaced belief that they are taking states lightly because they’re focused on nationals. The same thing was said about O’hara after they lost the 2012 states XC to WCH and their coaches said something like they were peaking for nationals anyway, which some thought implied states wasn’t important to them. I don’t think that was the case or that O’Hara was arrogant then and don’t think it true of WCH now. The top teams and individuals usually get both praise and some criticism, that’s life. Best to stay focused on achieving their goals. I doubt they’ll lose any sleep over it.

      Good topic by Forrest. It’s still early for predictions but to answer his questions, 1) I don’t think Russell goes after the meet record. It sounds like he’s coming back for the DMR so I think he runs what it takes to win going away, but unless he’s really challenged or is really feeling it that day, there’s no need to push to go that low. 2) I do think at least three runners get under 4:20. Russell likely pushes the pace mid race so there shouldn’t be that tentativeness there was last year. There’s a good chance of at least three of Russell, Ritz, Hoey, James (if he runs it), Moy and Billota getting under 4:20 3) 8th place is probably 4:24 again. 4) Who will run is still a big unknown. With Russell being a formidable challenge in the mile this year, the 3000 could be a more tempting choice for the top guys looking for a shot at gold. The downside is the 3000 makes it tougher to help out in the relays, though certainly not impossible.

      - RJJL

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    11. James probably can't go sub 4:20 so he'll be in the 3000.

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    12. Don't think James can run 1:55 30 minutes after running a 3K. So he'll focus on the 4x800 and maybe run the mile.

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  7. Colin Abert "suicide" effort, LOL!

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  8. Predictions: Tony makes a big move somewhere between 400 and 800. Cruises to a 4:13 in what is essentially a time trial. Caldwell uses his 800 speed to pick off anyone who tries to go with Tony: 2nd place in a 4:18. Hoey runs a solid 4:20, and Ross will run at least 4:22, which puts him in a pack with Moy, Bilotta, and Belfatto. Becich grabs the last medal.

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    1. 4:13 essentially a time trial? Now that's arrogance.

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    2. Arrogance or not, I have to agree with him. Its true, it'll be like a time trial because Russell will be racing against the clock. No one is capable of beating Russell unless something terrible happens. Russell could fall twice and still win with his times. If he tries to run fast on his own it would be nonsense for anyone to stick with him unless they would want to die off in the last 400. Russell ran a 4:16. Then a 4:11 off of a 2:08 first 800 in Boston... and 4:12 off a 2:07 high first 800 at millrose. If he goes out faster and uses his strength to go out in 2:04 I bet he could come back in 2:05 to go sub 4:10. Russell is a strength guy who has always had to negative split to run fast because no one else in PA has ever had the guts to do the work like he does. Now he only has to worry about himself. If he goes for it I'm sure running solo would be the best chance for him at a fast time.

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    3. A time trial is usually fast(see Alan Webb's American record in the mile and Galen Rupp's indoor record in the 2 mile) and it's usually paced. The mile won't be paced at States.

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    4. It's not a question of having the guts to push the pace. Why would huemmler or coyle ever want to push the pace? They have the best kick and they want to win! That's what racing is about at the end of the day ... Russell knew he couldn't kick with those guys so he had to push the pace to win which is smart and admirable but don't think the other guys are gutless just because they were running tactically sound.

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    5. Its more impressive if you can win in a fast time instead of kick to a slow time that's all. It shows who the fastest guys are. Not the best at who can win a tactical race

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    6. A "W" is a "W". Doesn't matter how you get there.

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  9. Is Will Cather running the mile? He ran a 4:20 just yesterday...

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