Wednesday, October 8, 2014

Top 15 Teams!

Well I’ve been working on a projected Meet of Champions race to try and score the top 10 teams, but it seems as though I really don’t have the time for it, so maybe Etrain will set something up like it on his long train rides to work. For now I’m doing the best I can, but let me say that these top 3 teams on the mini projections I’ve made are all over 90 points and under 100 points.

Please do not trash or comment on runners personalities or lives on here people. I do not have time to control all of these posts and I don't want to have to approve comments against. 

1.       Malvern Prep (IND) – This team has retained their state #1 spot, but they’re hanging on by a thread (and 1 point). Jaxson Hoey is a very good top guy and although he’s been having some tough races due to some dehydration, but I have confidence he’ll be back. He’s run strong with the top guys and the experience will come in handy at regionals. Billy McDevitt has been huge for this team. We knew what the other pieces of this team would look like, but McDevitt’s improvements this season has been big for MP and I think it really gives them a shot to make nationals. Josh Hoey is in a similar place to his older brother, but again these young guys have 6 weeks to rest and improve. I also like the 4-5 combo they’ve got as well in Wills and Doane. No question that if they were in District 1 both runners would be under 16 minutes. Putting it in perspective of Henderson last season at Lehigh in late October they’d probably score a very similar number of points.

2.       Cardinal O’Hara (District 12 AAA) – Yes Andrew, O’Hara is still second on my list. I really love this team. Any time you’ve got 3 James’ on the same team you’ve got to be a fan. I think there is a really great chance that it’s finally O’Hara’s year. Although West Chester Henderson is looking better than many expected, they won’t be the ones to take the title from O’Hara this season, nor will North Penn be that squad. Kevin James is poised for a top 5 finish once again and sophomore Ryan James in my opinion will be a lock to medal. Drew Pastore finished 65th last season and is the 35th returner from last season. He hasn’t looked great, but he’s made huge improvements throughout the season, which makes me feel as though he was sick earlier but will be ready by states. Morro was a sub 10 freshman and I’m always a big fan of them. He’s made huge improvements this season such as a drop on Hershey’s course of 48 seconds from last season. Patrick James, a freshman, is making moves towards that 5th spot but they’ve also got guys like Jack Nolen fighting for the spot who had run on some big relays and has the experience and can handle the pressure. 

3.       Conestoga (District 1AAA) – This team has yet to run a 5k, so I refuse to comment on them… Nah I’m just joking, but serious guys, a 5k or just a race in PA for that matter, would be kinda nice. I’m just saying. But then again, I think it’s awesome that they’re expanding to other races. They had an awesome 3 mile race and Marston is looking so, so good. He’s got this amazing presence as a leader and I think that’s huge for a team. I think he’s really rallied this team and has made them believe and hey, when you’re running 14:31 for 3 miles on a difficult lay-out, I’d buy in. Right now Cooper, who is the 21st returner from last season, is their 4th man. If he continues at the same rate of average improvement in the state then they’ve theoretically got 4 medalists, which is just crazy. Pj Murry and Killian Nelson have made some huge leaps this season, which is great to see. I just need a little more to go off of to really rank this team and Manhattan, despite being a 4k, will allow me to really compare them to other top ranked teams in the region and we can compare them to the Henderson squads that have raced the previous two seasons. I’m stoked and they very well could top this list next week.

4.       North Allegheny (District 7AAA) – NA has begun to found 4-5 runners in Stupak and Migliozzi, but they’ve still got a bit to go. They’ve also got freshman in Tj Robinson who was just under 30 seconds behind them and could potentially make an impact late in the season. They’ve got two clear top 10 AAA runners (in my opinion) with Mcgoey and Wharrey and Scott Seel, despite not looking great this year, ran 11 seconds faster than he did at states last season, at Foundation this year, which should put him right around 30-35th at states. Basically 1-3 they’ll have scored 35 team points, but the question will be can they get one more guy under 17 minutes and a 5th under 17:20. The curve is important (see Flotrack).

5.       Mount Lebanon (District 7AAA) – I’ve become a huge fan of this team. Not only is Evan Hatton a great guy who I’ve been able to have great conversation with over the past few weeks, but they’ve got some total studs. Ian Baun is not messing around this season and it seems like Gunzenhauser is beginning to catch up. I think both will place top 30 in the state and I’d be shocked if one didn’t grab a medal. After that they’ve got valuable experience at the state meet from Harris and Stone and this freshman Bryce Brandenstein ran 17:32, which would have put him 8th among all freshman last season at the state meet (yes I counted all divisions). He could very well be one of the top 3 freshman this season when all is said and done and will be a major contributor towards this team’s success. NA better watch out at WPIALs. 

6.       Cumberland Valley (District 3AAA) – It was really a tough call on the next few teams since it’s pretty close, but CV gets the nod here because of the fabulous weekend they had at Paul Short. I think they ran almost perfectly and up to potential. I love to see that happen. Things are finally clicking with Soliman and he’s up with Quinn Wasko as both of them broke 16 minutes at Lehigh. Next are training partners Higgins and Seeber followed by Cahill. With about 20 seconds between each group the 40 second spread is fantastic. I see Wasko and Soliman being very similar to Baun and Gunz. They’ve got an opportunity to race together and place top 30 in the state and Soliman should have a legit shot at medaling as a sophomore out of District 3, which is tough to do. Of course having to run the District 3 course before the state meet will make things tough for these guys, but they’ve got a lot of talent and if they are able to take it a bit easier and run as a pack to qualify (which will be tough with Carlisle and Hershey closely chasing them) they could attempt to make a run at the two District 7 power houses.

7.       York Suburban (District 3AA) – This is probably the highest place a AA team has entered on my list. I wasn’t totally sold on these guys after Foundation. I love Wilt and Mears as a combination up front, but having your 4-5 runners around 18 flat at Hershey isn’t very good. That being said they’ve got a 3rd man running 17:33 (a second behind other stud freshman Brandenstein) so a lot of potential is out there for these guys. Then they ran Carlisle. They entered the big boy race and took down DTW, Henderson, La Salle, Red Land, Cumberland Valley, and Carlisle. DANG. And they did this with Bryce Ohl (wait… both stud freshman are named Bryce… hmmm…) being their 5th man after beating his teammates by almost 30 seconds at Hershey. Either we have to chalk it up to a poor race on his part at Carlisle or both Wagner and Barley had poor races at Hershey. Either way this team hasn’t run the best that they can. That’s scary coming from a AA team.

8.       West Chester Henderson (District 1AAA) – Yes. It’s happened already. Henderson is back on this list. Alex Knapp is not looking good at all for them, but they’ve still made it. Barchet and Swart are really working well tougher and should be breaking 16 minutes at Districts. Smucker is another top notch freshman and they’ve got a fine 5th man in Berkman, who will only make huge jumps. I think Coach Kelly is making some great calls here by running these kids in separate meets and not putting huge expectations on them. Knapp will need to show he is once again in medalist shape if they are going to do anything big at states, but they tied DT West at Carlisle, beat them in a dual meet, and they just destroyed DTW over 3200m and had a random guy in Apurva Deschmukh (please don’t get good, because I’m never going to spell your name correctly again or be able to pronounce it correctly) run 10:21. This team has got a lot going for them and we know how well they come on when it matters. 

9.       Easton Area (District 11AAA) – I’m going to give Easton potentially a bit too much love right here, but I really liked how they raced at Lehigh. Abert is the top guy in the state right now, no questions asked (although I think Marston is way underrated) and Lapsansky is a medal contender at their #2 spot. Behind him Sherman and Grunwald are very nice 3-4 men. The biggest question is their #5 man. Logan Koch is a sophomore and behind him is a freshman who named Guydish. If they can work together or one of them can make a jump to work make it a 3-5 group these guys will be scary out of District 11. They just wooped Parkland in a dual meet as well.

10.   Downingtown West (District 1AAA) – I haven’t given up on these guys just yet, but at the beginning of the season they had a ton of potential, but it hasn’t been capitalized on. They have suffered a lot of injures, but still a team with so much depth last season has just not showed it this year. I love what Sappey is doing and Ben Ryherd showed great strength with a 4th place finish at the 3200m Invitational today. Pelcin and Barton will need to get it together however if this team wants to make splashes at the state level.

11.   Central Bucks West (District 1 AAA) – These guys have continued to look great and I really don’t have any complaints. 

12.   Carlisle (District 3 AAA) – Another strong team out of District 3 this season. Brehm is a wonderful number 1 and although DeAngelo and Wisner have not been the most consistent 2-3 runners in the state they are great guys to have on your team. I fear one of them breaking down at Hershey and this team falling apart.

13.   Hershey (District 3 AAA) – Huge fan of the 1-2 punch of Demko and Sponaugle. Watch out for these guys. Have they ran a dual meet against Carlisle yet? I’d love to see it play out. 

14.   La Salle College (District 12AAA) – I have been told District 12 is getting two teams this season? I am unsure if this is true. I hope it is, because a spread of 20 seconds should get challenged at the state meet. I love the spread that they’re working and I hope it continues. They ran amazing at Briarwood and looked solid once again at Carlisle. 

15.   State College Area (District 6AAA) – Yes I’ve got this team above J.P. McCaskey, Parkland, and Red Land, who all beat them at Carlisle. They started out their season very well and I have not lost faith. Their start last season was stellar and they really didn’t look great again until the state meet when everything came together perfectly for their 4th place finish. They return 4 runners from that team including Milligan and Feffer who are big time guys. I think they will surprise people.

The 16th team on this list is a tie between Red Land and Council Rock North right now. 

I hope all of this was worth the wait!
--ForrestCRN

40 comments:

  1. I could be wrong, but I don't think patrick James is a freshman?

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  2. Some results out of the Chesmont league tonight...Henry Sappey and Ryan Barton beating out Alex Knapp in the mile. Sappey ran 4:27 and Barton ran 4:29. It looked like they took the race out at a set pace, no one runner really took command. The last lap Sappey just kicked into another gear and left Knapp in the dust. In the two mile Eric Diestelow ran away from a tired field with a 9:40. I believe he was one of the only runners in the race not to be on the double, but it was still an impressive time considering he was 20 seconds ahead of the everyone else for most of the race. While he did not win either event Knapp looked strong running 4:33 and coming back with a 10:09. The league championships on Monday will be interesting. Anyone have predictions? Team wise I say Henderson over D-West.

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    1. Henderson had a very slight edge over DWest in their dual meet but once they get into large scoring in Ches-Monts and Districts the difference between Henderson's 1-4 and 5th guy really will hurt them. Henderson might win over DWest in ChesMonts but once they get to the bigger meets there will be too many teams for them to win. Also, Barton's 4:29 is very fast compared with his performance in his league meets, so it's probable that he'll come through in the bigger invitationals. At the track invite pretty much all the guys from DTW and Henderson were only working out in the two mile except for Ryherd and Pelcin, who didn't double up with the mile.

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    2. I think they may have been doing the mile as a work out too. I'm not sure, but they all were talking and seemed pretty comfortable the first three laps

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    3. 4:33 is a pretty fast workout

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  3. McQuaid is not a difficult course it is extremely flat and comparable to Lehigh. Still 14:31 is a good time.

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  4. I am not convinced about Carlisle in top 15. I might move Red Land into top 15 and move up LaSalle to 10 or 11. Otherwise list is dead-on.

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  5. I don't believe Henderson will make states with their #5 running 17:30.

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    1. Their 5th man ran 17:30 in their duel meet against DWest. I believe that was at Spington Manor, DWest's home course, which is actually a really though course. I wouldn't be surprised by a 45-1:00 drop at districts from everyone in the top 20 at that race.

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    2. Their #5 ran that at Springton Manor, which is a course that is comparable in difficulty to Hershey.

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    3. ^No it isn't. Spoken like someone who never ran at Hershey.

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    4. The only course harder than Hershey that I know is Salesianum

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    5. Which is where Carlisle just ran as well as Comber.
      Those were some good times for that course in my opinion

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    6. The Coatesville invite is the hardest course around.

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    7. ^What he said. Over half the race is spent on one hill, Steel City is no joke

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    8. I have ran at states twice and Springton Manor twice. They are very similar in difficulty, states is definitely a tad harder though.

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    9. I have also ran both courses and I disagree. Those hills at Hershey make you cry. Springton is no walk in the park, for sure but it's no Hershey either.

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    10. Is Oakbourne considered a tougher run than Springton?

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    11. Not at all. Oakbourne is considerably more flat.

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    12. Not a DWest or Henderson person...scouts honor. I have ran all 3 courses in question. Hershey is toughest, by a lot. Oakbourne & Springton are different but both are very hard. I'd say Oakbourne is tougher - maybe I'm saying that because I placed a lot better at Springton. They can't all be Lehigh.

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    13. Is there any course around the area that is harder or equally as tough as hershey? Im thinking salselium, hershey and briarwood in that order? Is van courtland as tough?

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    14. In my opinion, the only course that can match or Hershey or be tougher is Salesianum.

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    15. D-West's home course has a 800 meter steady incline. The rest of the course is more-or-less rolling hills. It is a very tough course.

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  6. Gotta like Twin Valley...top 5 are all seniors ranging from 16:10 (Coakley at Paul Short) to 16:48 (DiGiacomo at CRN)...I think they've beaten some ranked teams, and they beat CRN at CRN.

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  7. Great work as always, Forrest. I definitely know where to come for the best running analysis. Take that, Penntrack!

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  8. This list is good. It also reaffirms that this year, with the exception of guys like Hoey and Marston, is not a high talent year in XC. Hendersons 2 & 3, who are touted to be very strong contributors, are not any better than Hendersons 6 & 7 were last year for example. This is not intended to be a dig at Henderson per se, it's just their team is easy to use as a comparison since historically,we hear so much about them.
    Overall there is a bit of a talent dip this year, that's all. I expect it to be much less so next year. It's just the ebb and flow of the sport.

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    1. It's tough for me to defend Henderson since I tend to favor underdogs but what team(s) currently has a #3 runner that is better than Henderson's #7 last year? This is not intended to be a dig at DWest but I'm certain their #2 and 3 are not any better than Henderson's #7 last year for example.

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    2. Which if I read correctly, is the original posters point. Talent in general is off somewhat this year? I don't personally think so when you have guys like Hoey, the Stoga boys and K. James, etc...running the show but maybe it was a more district 1 observation?
      Let's face it, Henderson and specifically Russell overshadowed most of the XC talk last year. That Henderson is no longer that dominant seems like a natural evolution to me-they'll always be in the hunt as long as Kelly coaches them. His draw brings in lots of guys who turn out pretty good, in spite of having no prior running history.

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    3. State meet results previous 4 years:
      sub 16:00 sub 16:30 (including the sub 16's)
      2013 2 20
      2012 3 23
      2011 - 21
      2010 5 24

      The facts don't support what the above posters are trying to sell. I'll bet my etrain fake money on more than 2 sub 16's this year and more than 20 total sub 16:30 which will prove that there is more depth and "talent"
      than last year.

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    4. Well that didn't post as intended. I'll try again. 2013 had 20 total guys under 16:30 with 2 of them being sub 16:00. 2012 had 23 under 16:30 with 3 of them under 16:00. 2011 had 21 under 16:30, none under 16:00.
      2010 had 24 under 16:30, 5 of them under 16:00.

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    5. I think they were talking about depth and skill team-wise.

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    6. Team race is wide open, individuals are quite good ... Colin Abert and Griffin Molino haven't even been mentioned in this series of comments yet right?

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    7. Conestoga is the only lock for states out of D1

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  9. What about Germantown Friends?

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  10. This is only semi-related, but I am totally confused on how to rank people this year. Paul Short times are always difficult to compare to other District 3 teams, but this year I am even more confused. Teams have not run very consistently and ranking individuals and teams is almost impossible. On one weekend you have Carlisle at Salesianum and CV/Twin Valley/Hershey at Paul Short. Do we really know how those times compare. I would say not. There are just so many teams that seem about equal, it makes districts even more interesting even though there are no clear front running teams (With the exception of North Alleghany and Conestoga). Other than those two, no one seems guaranteed a shot to state. Scratch that, O'Hara and LaSalle because of new District 12 team qualifiers.

    Honestly wish there was more clarity, but rankings don't really matter. Only what order you cross the finish line in.

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    1. Don't be a stick in the mud, live a little! If we already knew who the Superbowl Champs would be then why watch the games. It is the movement and different team circumstances from week to week that makes the season more exciting. So go ahead and take the plunge...make your own ranking even if it changes every week!

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  11. If Red Land can race at districts like they did at Carlisle or better then everyone better watch out at the District 3 meet and States

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  12. Damn, do you bitches seriously have nothing better to do than blog about a bunch of high school runners? No one gives a fuck about your opinion Forrest

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    1. ^Probably a football player who's weekly mileage might just exceed 18 twinkies this week. If you don't care about his opinion then go to another site and complain. Don't come on here and diss Forrest because you don't have a clue what running is.
      As for myself, I highly respect your opinion Forrest, and love reading your blog.

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    2. Nope, but what you described is an excellent diet of a runner. I'll respect his opinion once he can break 30 in an 8k

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